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Talk on Gimme Something Better
Posted by Delfina

Last week I went to a talk about the book Gimme Something Better at Bluestockings, a radical bookstore in Manhattan. The speakers were Silke Tudor, who is one of the book’s authors, Larry Livermore, Aaron Cometbus, journalist A.C. Thompson, and author Jennifer Blowdryer, all of whom were part of East Bay punk history.

The audience was more book nerds than punks (including my book-nerd self), but it was nice to see the topic of the book discussed in its own context. Bluestockings is part of a wide community committed to social justice and equality that extends all over the world, and that includes creative and subversive subcultures like punk rock.

It might seem odd to refer to punk rock as “subversive,” because it’s so accepted and commonplace nowadays, but its essence has always been as a vehicle for independent expression (often of radical ideas), separate from and an antidote to commercial music made only for profit. That hasn’t changed. Wherever you are, there’s probably a DIY punk rock scene somewhere not too far away.

That wasn’t specifically discussed that night, because it’s all kind of a given. But the panelists talked about how they each experienced the East Bay punk scene. Aaron Cometbus said that one of the things he liked about this book is that it talks about a particular time period without disparaging what came before or after, something that accounts of punk scenes tend to do: everyone thinks that punk is dead once they stop paying attention to it. A.C. Thompson talked about how goofy and fun the East Bay scene was: it was highly political but not dead-serious all the time.

Someone in the audience asked the panelists what show was the most memorable for them. Larry Livermore said that was impossible to answer, but he mentioned the last show Green Day played at Gilman before Dookie came out, but after they had signed to Warner, in December of 1993, which was moving and bittersweet, because everyone knew things were going to change. I think he said people were actually waltzing, if I heard him right…

Tudor said that they were approached to write a history of Gilman St., but the project became much bigger than just Gilman St. It took three years to compile instead of the planned-on one year, and ended up being 800 pages, which had to be cut down to 400 for publication. Some of the outtakes are on the website.

If you haven’t read this one, about Blatz (a band Billie Joe played in, apparently while on acid…) and the zine Absolutely Zippo, it’s pretty funny… Ben Saari says: “I never even knew Billie Joe. But from a distance I was like, ‘Oh, I don’t like that guy, he’s too nice and too pretty.’”

Billie Joe talks about Absolutely Zippo in the book (and I’m posting this here just because it’s funny):

“Robert [Eggplant] would come to school with copies of his zine and he’d say, ‘Billie, take ten and go around. They’re a quarter apiece.’ It was filled with profanity, and the trendier kids in 11th and 12th grade, of course, thought it was the coolest thing ever. My teacher came up and grabbed one, ‘What are you selling there?’ and I said, ‘It’s my friend’s magazine. It’s a quarter. Do you want one?’ The cover said ‘Legalize Crack!’ I got suspended for five days, something like that.’”

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December 16, 2009 at 5:04 am [ Category: Books, History ]

Comment from Barb December 16, 2009, 2:27 pm

Delfina, this is great! I just got the book, but on my kindle, and find it fascinating! I was almost totally unaware of what was going on back then. I have to say, it sounds a lot like what was happening in the 60’s, when I would try to find places to hang around that had rock bands and freaks(sorta hippies, sorta not). Wish I’d seen this! The different opinions re: politics, punk, etc., sound much the same as well. Can’t wait to see what the the current generation will say in 20 years. Love the book, but I now want the hardbound copy so I can see the pictures better.

Comment from Annie King December 16, 2009, 10:42 pm

Thanks for the thorough overview of the talk! It’s always great to go to things like that, and learn things that may never appear in print.

Comment from Delfina December 17, 2009, 7:28 am

Thanks, Barb and Annie. I used to be involved in the scene myself, not in the East Bay but in NYC. It was a very mixed bag. But I do think that seeing it first hand does get you the most insight, even if there are bumps along the way, and you learn in ways that are perhaps less romantic than they might seem in print. (But as a book nerd I really love reading about it, perhaps more so.) I think both the book and my own experience sound similar to your experience, Barb. (Btw, I had to look it up. There’s a bookstore like Bluestockings in St. Louis: http://stlcamp.org/library )

Hearing about it from people who were there was great too, since these were very candid speakers who weren’t trying to put any spin on things. I agree with you Annie, that there are things you can learn from hearing people’s stories that might never make it into print form, either because they don’t seem important enough, or there are just space constraints.

I’m glad I went, but it wasn’t any earth shattering thing, just a casual talk.

Comment from Barb December 17, 2009, 1:41 pm

Delfina, I take it all back. I just got far enough into gimme something better to read about the skinheads. I really wasn’t around many people who started so young, and were so troubled and violent. Sure, there were the Vietnam vets and others struggling with drug addiction, etc. But the violence? No. Breaks my heart for these so young kids, out on their own. I see why any “family” can be better than none, though. And yes, you and Annie are right — experience is different. I appreciate what everyone in this book is sharing. Thanks so much for sharing it, and your experiences.

Comment from Jaime December 18, 2009, 12:01 pm

I’m glad you got to go to the talk! I picked up the book a couple weeks ago and couldn’t put it down. All the Green Day anecdotes were cute, of course. I also liked the sub-theme of the NoCal punk rock girl-gangs. From what I know of the bay area scene, there has been a history of strong women involved in the scene and that’s something that I really appreciate. Obviously also something that has had an impact on Green Day and their views as well.

Comment from Delfina December 18, 2009, 12:01 pm

Barb, I don’t think that violence was a major part of the East Bay punk scene at all. (I think it had been more of an issue in earlier years.) Certainly a scene that is so open attracts all kinds, so ugly things can happen sometimes. I don’t know, there was not much violence at all in the punk world I was familiar with in the late 90s.

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